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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:06 PM
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Post Post subject: Re: The Music Department
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 08:09 AM
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You can see samples in 2 ways:
1) as a square where the horizontal axis in the middle is the stereo image and the vertical axis is the volume
2) as a square where the horizontal axis is the frequency spectrum from low to high and the vertical also the volume

The songs I've heard sofar are not spread good enough in both squares. If you would draw a circle in those 2 squares, then you will see that you miss sound in the 2 upper corner quadrants, since no sample reaches those corners or aren't placed there in the stereo mix. This gives the mix a monotonic messy dirty feel, instead of a tight transparant feel.

-Stereo Image:
Also the rule is that leading sounds should be mostly mono = middle and less important sounds should be pushed to the left or right side. If doing so, realise that each sound deserves it's own unique spot within the 2 squares.

-Frequency Image:
If you have a 1.Bassdrum and a 2.Bass and 3.Lead vocals, then the lead vocals isn't pushing anything away, since its place is mono = middle and it's lead, so every other sound should make place for this vocal.
-The bass and bassdrum are usually eachothers enemies, pushing eachother away in both stereo and frequency way. If this happens, use a compressor with side chain. In dance music this means the bassdrum(most important lower sound) is at 100% volume and the bass(60%) is sidechained to the bassdrum. So whenever the bassdrum lets go if it's frequency + stereo spot in the mix, the bass can take over to fill up the gap. When the bassdrum comes back, the side chaining will react to it and push the Bass's volume down again. So sidechaining is like a Bass-gel around holes of the bassdrum.
-Vocals the same. lead = mono, choir = stereo, lead guitar is in the stereo image between the monotonic lead vocal and the very stereo choir vocals.

Summary:
1) give each sound it's own spot in the frequency image.
2) If a sound interferes with another sound in that frequency spot, try moving it in the stereo image
3) If it still interferes with the other (more important) sound, use sidechain compression and make sure this less important sound's volume is less high than the more important sound (or take it out. Less = More)
4) Realise that post processing a mix means your basic mix isn't good enough on it's own. Try to prepare every sound as good as you can when you know it's spot in the frequentie mix, so you need as little final mixing and EQ-ing as possible. 80% of the mix is your basic mix! So try to make it 100% as good as you can.

My way of working:
I have compression on almost every single channel. Most of them side-chained to the more important sound on the same stereo + frequency spot. Every channel, because if there is a gap, I'm sure some of the channels will open it's volume because of the compression.
On quite some of these channels I have EQ used to filter away not necessary sounds, like the higher sounds on a bassdrum / bass = leave room for the higher frequencies = less is more!

I used to use Cubase, but got crazy switching from program to program. I want to work on 1 spot and be able to take my complete work with me on a laptop, so I'm using now Ableton. It comes with a super simple tutorial and its much more logic and intuitive in using and can be used for any music style, since it's sample based(= track recording without sweat) and.. it comes with loads of free very good audio effects like reverb, compression etc.


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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 09:37 PM
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Post Post subject: Re: The Music Department
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:29 PM
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And a new remix contest: Tiesto - Knock Me Out
Check my version:

www.patrickoatman.com

(Reused the voice 100% and 1 background synth and 3 little samples for the 2 bridges. The rest, 90%, is mine Wink )


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And a new remix contest of a Legend in Electronic Music: Yello - Bostich
Check my version:

www.patrickoatman.com/


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Post Post subject: Re: The Music Department
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 08:21 AM
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The Merovingian :
And a new remix contest of a Legend in Electronic Music: Yello - Bostich
Check my version:

www.patrickoatman.com/

not bad not bad. I only listened to it with my headphones, but still.
atm the beat is really straight all the way through. Would it maybe add an interesting change if u change the rythm after the vocal intermission (02:12 - 3:32)?
so not
1-0-2-0 / 1-0-2-0 / 1-0-2-0 / 1-0-2-0
but
1-0-0-2 / 1-0-2-0 / 1-0-0-2 / 1-0-2-0
(1= kick, 2 = hihat, 0 = pause 1/4).

U kind of get an off-beat groove to it. I could imagine it fits rahter nicely. and its not to uncommon in electro or house music.

And what about a tempo change? i don't know atm it constantly is like 135 bpm or something,is it?
So what if u try to get it, i don't know to 155 bpm after the 1 break or add a second break or i don't know.

Ok, so far so good Smile i think its good what u done so far, but as far as i know tha merovingian, he always longs for an even better solution... Wink

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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 04:53 PM
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The Merovingian :
And a new remix contest of a Legend in Electronic Music: Yello - Bostich
Check my version:

www.patrickoatman.com/

not bad not bad. I only listened to it with my headphones, but still.
atm the beat is really straight all the way through. Would it maybe add an interesting change if u change the rythm after the vocal intermission (02:12 - 3:32)?
so not
1-0-2-0 / 1-0-2-0 / 1-0-2-0 / 1-0-2-0
but
1-0-0-2 / 1-0-2-0 / 1-0-0-2 / 1-0-2-0
(1= kick, 2 = hihat, 0 = pause 1/4).

U kind of get an off-beat groove to it. I could imagine it fits rahter nicely. and its not to uncommon in electro or house music.

And what about a tempo change? i don't know atm it constantly is like 135 bpm or something,is it?
So what if u try to get it, i don't know to 155 bpm after the 1 break or add a second break or i don't know.

Ok, so far so good Smile i think its good what u done so far, but as far as i know tha merovingian, he always longs for an even better solution... Wink

yes thanks! The danger of always want a better solution or improvement, that it's neverending. I tried to make the remix in this style:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFQDjoAQqQ4


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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:22 AM
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New Remix: Wolfgang Gartner - Latin Fever
Original: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbLtWrBuWH0

Yay!

------------- my version -------------
www.beatportal.com/rem...x-contest/

or

www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5wbaAPv-RI

or

www.patrickoatman.com


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