Being the only country in Europe to have a referendum on this Treaty to amend a treaty to amend a treaty. . . . . yada yada....


What do you guys think of the Treaty, considering you didn't get a REAL say in it?


As far as the referendum goes, I was ..... disappointed with the turnout. Estimated only 40% bothered voting. Results out by lunchtime.


Fingers Crossed that the rest of the country voted the way I did. It would be great to get a 100% unanimous verdict.

Woo hoo. Looks like Ireland is leaning to my way of thinking.
Official results will be in by about 3pm GMT [+- 1 hour].

But it's looking good.

what, who, where? which treaty?

The Lisbon Treaty.

You didn't get to vote on it. Only Ireland did. All other countries had it ratified by your governments without any public consideration.


We have spoken. Europe take heed. Don't take this as an attack on Europe. Come to us and find out our reasons for voting no.

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On the treaty that was before the lisbon treaty we had in luxembourg a referendum too. Though, it wasn't necessary in lux, the politians organized one to see the mood of the people and they would ratifi it if we voted yes. They did, and now, after 2 treatys, europe is still fucked.

Note: I do not know what exactly is written in the treaty.

This is fundamentally the same treaty that the French and Danish voted against in 2004 / 2005 I think. This time around, they weren't given the chance to vote. Their Governments just said yes.

I think voting no is a good thing. Most of us are not against Europe. But the treaty was unacceptable in it's current form.

Explain

To be honest, I'm not even sure if my reasons are valid anymore.

Listening to the radio all day today both sides are saying that the other side were lying about there reasons to vote a particular way.

My reasons [valid or not]

* I don't agree with a permanent president.
* I don't agree with member states being "locked" out for 5 years in the rotation. Every member state should be included every year.
* I don't agree with the French minister [among others] bullying us into voting yes. He said that we will suffer if we vote no. So much for a democracy that Europe is trying to promote.
* I don't agree with the back door clause that allows the European officials to change anything after the Lisbon Treaty without requiring Ireland to hold a referendum.
* There are more but I can't think of them just now

The result, denoting the voting outcome by area. Startling.

I'm in the Kildare / Naas area and voted No.

i don't relaly know what this is all about, but i for sure didn't have my eyes on ireland. since when are you part of europe anyway? hah, j/k xD

are they about to have a second referendum? i'm not really familiar with any details, but is a "hey, lets do another one until everyone's voting yes"- kinda way justified? wouldn't be very democratic anymore, would it?

Irelands Government had a second reforendum last time, at the Nice Treaty. The Government learned their leson on that one and WILL NOT have a second one for Lisbon. The Treaty is gone as far as Ireland are concerned. It has to be re-negotiated again or dump us out of Europe.

Not very pro democratic, is it? Europ is all pro choice, until your choice is different to theirs.

RangeR :

This is fundamentally the same treaty that the French and Danish voted against in 2004 / 2005 I think.

French and.. Dutch

Sorry, my bad. Been VERY tired over the past few days

Id rather just have a JD than bother with all this politic's shit

And yes im still alive thanks for careing !!!