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Post Post subject: Here comes the Sniper
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 02:21 PM
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The Sniper has been a tricky class to update. In particular, designing an alternative to the Sniper Rifle has been a challenge. To understand why, we need to go back, way back, into the mists of time, when dinosaurs roamed the earth, and we started working on TF2. If it helps, you can listen to the Doctor Who Theme while you read.

In our multiplayer FPS games, players tend to die a lot. Death is one of the great feedback mechanisms we have in the game, helping you evaluate your own skill versus that of your opponents, and the viability of the tactics being employed by each of you. Being hopeless optimists, we'd like your deaths to be positive experiences. When we started working on TF2, 22 years ago, we decided to examine the things that affected how players felt about their deaths in TFC. Our starting theory was that, for death to be a positive experience, players had to feel like they could have avoided dying if they'd done something different. We found two factors that seemed to be important in light of that theory:

1. The first was whether or not you understand what killed you. If you don't know what killed you, that death is failing in providing you the feedback it's supposed to, and you won't be able to figure out what you could have done differently. Unsurprisingly, we saw that these deaths were highly aggravating to players, and in sufficient number caused new players to stop playing entirely. Trying to reduce the number of these deaths in TF2 was done through a variety of changes. It was one of the reasons why we chose to remove the hand-held grenades that each class had in TFC, which were one of the primary causes of these deaths. It was one of several goals that led to the creation of the freezecam.

2. The second was whether you felt you were actually engaged with the person who killed you. Dying to someone you weren't engaged with, especially when you were already engaged with someone else, was aggravating. Even worse was dying to someone who you couldn't have engaged with, even if you chose to. In that case, you're very unlikely to believe you could have done anything differently to survive.

In particular, the second seemed to be the root cause of the hatred of Snipers. You're often killed by them while you're engaged with an enemy in the foreground, and most of the time the Sniper is so far away it feels like you couldn't have dealt with him even if you didn't have enemies nearby.

In fact, the Sniper's goal is to create that relationship: he specifically wants to fight enemies outside their engagement range, because that's his primary advantage.

Which brings us back to the Sniper Rifle unlockable. In an effort to reduce some of the aggravation that other players feel towards the Sniper, we chose the goal of designing an unlockable that encouraged the Sniper to get a little closer to his target. We want him to give up some of his primary advantage in return for something else, so that enemies he kills feel like they were engaged with them, and feel like they could have survived if they'd just managed to fight a little better.


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Post Post subject: Here comes the Sniper
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 06:33 AM
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in case only a few noticed, we are into day 2 of valve revealing the sniper-update

http://www.teamfortress.com/sniperupdate/english.htm

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Post Post subject: Here comes the Sniper
Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 10:32 AM
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Day 3. Haha, eerie! bad news for u.


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Post Post subject: Here comes the Sniper
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haha Mr. Green

let's see how it burns Twisted Evil

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Brilliant Smile


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Post Post subject: Here comes the Sniper
Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 05:00 PM
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AMAZING: www.teamfortress.com/spyupdate/


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Post Post subject: Here comes the Sniper
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yeah, so the most annoying class gets even more annoying ^^

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Post Post subject: Here comes the Sniper
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 07:32 AM
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Dunno why it is not officially released via steam, but here's "Meet the spy"

www.youtube.com/watch?...YiaZE&hd=1


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Post Post subject: Here comes the Sniper
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The video leaked trough the valve youtube channel. It was shortly available in their channel but got deleted.


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Dunno why it is not officially released via steam, but here's "Meet the spy"

www.youtube.com/watch?...E&hd=1

totally awesome Razz



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yeah, so the most annoying class gets even more annoying ^^

i find the even more annoying class is the sniper. you can get away from a spy by watching your back once in a while (unless it's eerie), but being killed by the same f****** sneaky sniper every time without gaining space towards him is really frustrating, it's kinda off your hands - much alike fate Mr. Green

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Post Post subject: Re: Here comes the Sniper
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 11:50 AM
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JustFreak :
Dunno why it is not officially released via steam, but here's "Meet the spy"

www.youtube.com/watch?...E&hd=1

totally awesome Razz



tomster :
yeah, so the most annoying class gets even more annoying ^^

i find the even more annoying class is the sniper. you can get away from a spy by watching your back once in a while (unless it's eerie), but being killed by the same f****** sneaky sniper every time without gaining space towards him is really frustrating, it's kinda off your hands - much alike fate Mr. Green

Totally agree!

And.. finally I know that the spy is a Frenchman, not Italian. At least.. the end tune of that vid had the French type accordion but a guitar too.. But he says: "ma petite something" = Frenchman


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Post Post subject: Here comes the Sniper
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maybe "ma petite chaud fleur" ?

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Post Post subject: Here comes the Sniper
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 01:11 PM
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it's "ma petite chou fleur"
english: "my little Cauliflower"

And the Video is indeed amazing.


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These "Culli Flowers" have already spend some ideas about the pyro being a woman...

forums.steampowered.co...ost9921234

I think the biggest proof about pyro being a woman is, that good old candy played it all the time Wink


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These "Culli Flowers" have already spend some ideas about the pyro being a woman...

forums.steampowered.co...ost9921234

I think the biggest proof about pyro being a woman is, that good old candy played it all the time Wink
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